Added streetlighting.

Proposer
afdy
State

Accepted

Vote Score

2

Age

365 days


@afdy edited index.md - 12 months ago

Note: hopefully everything is now working well enough for early adopters to make a start writing a manifesto, although there are still likely to be some rough edges! If you find any problems, or if things don't make sense, please open an issue.

Transport

Improve cycling routes and rider safety. Discourage car use.

Improve cycling routes around Eastleigh by improving cycling routes, cannibalising existing road space where necessary. Reducing overall traffic speeds via both changing maximum speeds and traffic management infrastructure. Discourage the use of cars by implementing a highly effective Park and Ride and cutting back on parking, especially free parking.

Lighting

Support "sponsor a streetlight", and give local residents control.

Provide residents who feel they require it, and can pay for it access to all-night street-lighting. Streetlights have been off overnight in Hampshire for some time which is great for the environment, nature and sky observes but in some areas can be detrimental to residents. Making an "on or off" decision for every neighborhood across Hampshire is unclean, and unfair. There are alternative options, a street lamp costs less than £5 per year to run and these decisions can be made at a much more local level. Source and further discussion can be found here https://eastleigh.online/t/street-lighting-sponsor-a-streetlight-give-residents-control/351

afdy

@afdy - 12 months ago

Absolutely support it, its an awesome idea ;).

jt-nti

@jt-nti - 12 months ago

I really like the idea of ultra-local decision making for this kind of thing. It also sounds like a great way of making the most of an investment which has already been made in the infrastructure.

@afdy Please could you read the Contributor License Agreement and leave a comment if you agree to it. Thanks!

pavsmith

@pavsmith - 12 months ago

This is a really tricky one. As you say modern streetlights don't cost a lot to run, and subsequently don't generate a lot of pollution aside from, perhaps, some light pollution. We have one in our front window which doesn't bother us and does provide a fantastic water show when raining at night. So perhaps turn them off, but... it's not just a "local" thing, it's also a "people who use your street" thing and has a safety aspect. I suspect a lot of women would prefer that streets were lit after dark. So, on balance, I think no, I'd prefer them left on for that reason alone.

Vote: ❎

afdy

@afdy - 12 months ago

So, on balance, I think no, I'd prefer them left on for that reason alone.

Vote: ❎

This underscores exactly the problem though. You have decided to vote to leave them "on for everybody" due to your own personal preferences, and voted against this option to allow local control. This perpetuates the never ending discussion of "should they be on or off".

If you were to allow local control, individuals could make the best decision for their area as a community as you don't know how other people feel.

Consider a piece of road with no housing that doesn't need lighting - that could be off by default. Consider some star gazers that don't like lighting - they should have that option. Consider a well populated area with high crime, they may like lighting - they should have that option.

If, like you have done - one person tries to make the decision for the whole area without considering other individual perspectives and opinions, 50% of people will be upset with whatever the outcome. If you let the community around the lamp post decide, you end up with lighting tuned to be perfect for whoever lives there!

I still strongly believe its the ideal option. Can you suggest an alternative approach other than "all on" or "all off", or could you perhaps reconsider?

By changing to vote positively for this change - you could still choose to keep your lamp on, but you would avoid forcing your decisions onto people who want their lamp off...

jt-nti

@jt-nti - 12 months ago

@pavsmith that's a really good point, although the starting point for this idea is that the streets aren't lit for the whole night in Hampshire.

Perhaps the process for deciding whether lights should be turned on could take account of everyone who uses a street, not just the residents? A FixMyStreet for lights? The other thing I've been wondering about is the idea of residents paying. I could easily imagine that affluent areas end up with all their street lights on, while other areas stay in the dark.

I still really like the idea of local neighbourhoods having the power to decide on which streets are lit after dark though. What do you think about updating the proposal a bit @afdy?

pavsmith

@pavsmith - 12 months ago

For me it simply comes back to personal safety. Plus it can't only be about the locals making the decision, especially where the street is used as a thoroughfare by people on foot. Indeed I flip exactly the opposite way on streetlights in areas with no housing, as they're the least safe areas after dark, and I think therefore it is an area that needs to be lit. A final thought for the moment is the condition of footpaths in many places which are bad enough trip hazards in the daytime, let alone if you were trying to walk on them in the dark!

jt-nti

@jt-nti - 12 months ago

Just discovered that there's an interactive map of street lights which shows which ones are currently on a "Part Night Lighting" schedule.

pavsmith

@pavsmith - 12 months ago

Interestingly I was once again enjoying last evening's rain falling through the streetlight outside our window and then, i think about 2230, it turned itself off!

@afdy edited index.md - 12 months ago

Note: hopefully everything is now working well enough for early adopters to make a start writing a manifesto, although there are still likely to be some rough edges! If you find any problems, or if things don't make sense, please open an issue.

Transport

Improve cycling routes and rider safety. Discourage car use.

Improve cycling routes around Eastleigh by improving cycling routes, cannibalising existing road space where necessary. Reducing overall traffic speeds via both changing maximum speeds and traffic management infrastructure. Discourage the use of cars by implementing a highly effective Park and Ride and cutting back on parking, especially free parking.

Lighting

Support "sponsor a streetlight", and give local residents control.

Provide residents who feel they require it and can fund it access to all-night street-lighting. Streetlights have been off overnight in Hampshire for some time which is great for the environment, nature and sky observers but in some areas can be detrimental to residents. The current policy of making an "on or off" decision for every neighborhood across Hampshire is unclean, and unfair and does not take into account neighbourhood preference. There are alternative options, a street lamp costs less than £5 per year to run and these decisions can be made at a much more local level. For those that "can't afford" street lighting but need it for safety concerns the local Parish council should have a small budget set aside to handle this. Source and further discussion can be found here https://eastleigh.online/t/street-lighting-sponsor-a-streetlight-give-residents-control/351

afdy

@afdy - 12 months ago

Ok made amendments to address funding and security concerns by @pavsmith

afdy

@afdy - 12 months ago

I have read the CLA Document and I hereby sign the CLA

jt-nti

@jt-nti - 12 months ago

I like the idea of more local control and I think it's worth getting this policy in, on the basis that it is over and above the street lighting provided by the county, which already includes a mixture of lighting schedules.

Vote: ✅

eom-bot

@eom-bot - 12 months ago

This is the second proposal and there still need to be more eligible voters. It has been updated based on feedback though, so it's going in!

Vote: ✅